In this episode I sit down with Martin Brown, Chartered Engineer and Improvement Consultant at HORIBA MIRA, and one of the world's leading experts on the safety of new energy vehicles. With nearly three decades of experience designing and testing electric, hydrogen, hybrid and cryogenic vehicles, Martin brings a level of operational and scientific authority that is rarely found in a single conversation. We cover the real hazards firefighters face at EV incidents such as thermal runaway, the limitations of water suppression, the explosion risk now associated with fire blankets, why hybrid vehicles statistically carry the highest fire rate of any powertrain, and what crews are simply not being told about the gases released during a battery fire.

The second half of the conversation moves into territory that I think every firefighter, every officer and every person in the wider emergency services ecosystem needs to hear. Martin has spent years researching the contamination left behind by battery fires on PPE, on vehicles handed to recovery, and in the lungs of people who never wore a fire kit in their life. His warning is clear and deliberately drawn: the residue from lithium battery fires is reaching tow truck drivers, mechanics and battery disposal workers who have no training, no PPE and no awareness of what they are absorbing. He draws a direct and uncomfortable parallel with asbestos — a material once valued for fire protection, whose risks were known before they were acted on.

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On the 6th of January 1995, at five in the morning, a man discovered his sofa was on fire in apartment 509 of a thirty-storey residential block in North York, Toronto. He tried to put it out, failed, and ran leaving his apartment door wide open behind him. That single decision set off a chain of events that killed six people, all of them found above the twentieth floor in smoke-filled stairwells, in a building where the fire never meaningfully spread beyond the room it started in.

In this episode I'm delivering a full operational debrief of the Forest Laneway fire, one of the most instructive high-rise residential incidents ever documented. I'm following the physics of stack effect in a thirty-storey concrete building on a sub-zero January night. I'm looking at the scissors staircase design that confused both escaping residents and arriving firefighters. I'm examining the sixteen-minute window of survivable self-evacuation that closed before a quarter of the building had even heard the alarm. And I'm asking the questions this incident demands we ask about how we brief high-rise fires, how we communicate with trapped occupants, and how many of the same failure points are sitting inside buildings in your area tonight.

This is not a story about one bad night in Canada thirty years ago. This is a lesson in what happens when ordinary things go wrong in the right order.

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In this episode of our AFOA 2026 Conference Live mini-series, you are going to hear a presentation from Peter Critchell and Craig Rayner exploring the development of the all-hazard leader within aviation fire and rescue. Drawing on experience from across the UK fire and rescue sector, the session examines how organisations can move beyond simple compliance to develop truly competent, confident and adaptable incident commanders capable of operating in complex, high-risk aviation environments. The discussion covers command competence, behavioural assessment, interoperability, decision making under pressure and the importance of continuous professional development through realistic training, simulation and structured review. This presentation challenges organisations to think critically about how command capability is developed, assessed and maintained within modern emergency response environments.

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