Former United States Marine Michael Herrera joins That UFO Podcast to discuss his alleged 2009 encounter in Indonesia involving a massive advanced craft, armed personnel, and a story that has only become darker and more complex over time.

We get into what he says he saw, why he believes the object looked manufactured rather than traditionally “alien,” what happened afterwards, and how he now connects the incident to UAP secrecy, black programs, psionics, whistleblower protections, Congress, AARO, David Grusch, Steven Greer and the wider disclosure conversation.

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In this special live discussion, I’m joined by Pavel from the Psicoactivo Podcast to break down one of the biggest flashpoints currently developing in the UAP conversation.

Ross Coulthart and UAP Gerb have both raised serious questions around Lue Elizondo’s alleged past role within the so-called legacy program, his possible involvement in controlled disclosure, and whether he would be the right person to lead any future UAP transparency effort.

We discuss what Ross said, why Gerb’s comments have landed so strongly, the rumoured “UAP czar” role, the divide between controlled disclosure and full transparency, and how David Grusch may have changed the entire direction of the conversation.

We also get into the wider implications for whistleblowers, national security, amnesty, The Age of Disclosure, Jay Stratton’s upcoming book, and whether the UAP community is entering a new and more fractured phase.

This is not about character assassination. It is a conversation about trust, disclosure, secrecy, and who the public should rely on as this topic moves forward.

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Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a wide-ranging discussion on the Disclosure Forum, the reaction to the event, the role of new UFO organisations, and whether the public is being prepared for genuine disclosure or a heavily managed version of it.

We get into the tone of the Forum, the awards, the lack of truly new information, and the bigger question of what these events are actually trying to achieve. The conversation also turns to whistleblowers like Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland, possible executive action around protections, the rumours of a UFO “czar”, and whether any future disclosure process will prioritise truth, accountability, or control.

This one goes deep into amnesty, historical crimes, classified reality, national security, the threat narrative, global disclosure, and whether the world would actually change if the truth finally came out.

A huge thanks to the Doomer Friday team for having me back on.

Topics include:

The Disclosure Forum reaction
Was the event serious enough?
Awards, optics and public trust
Whistleblowers and legal protection
Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland and Vanguard
The possibility of a UFO czar
Controlled disclosure vs full disclosure
Amnesty, accountability and hidden crimes
Would the public care about the cover-up?
Is “reality classified”?
The threat narrative and national security
What disclosure could actually look like
Why the world may not change overnight

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