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The PACN Podcast

The PACN Podcast

By: Dr. John Pagan
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The PACN Podcast helps independent physicians and medical practices navigate today’s healthcare landscape. Hosted by Dr. John Pagan of the Pennsylvania Clinical Network, each episode explores practice management, healthcare policy, physician leadership, insurance innovation, and strategies that help private practices thrive. Featuring conversations with doctors, healthcare innovators, and industry experts, the PACN Podcast provides practical insights for physicians who want to protect their independence while delivering high-quality patient care.2026 Pennsylvania Clinically Integrated Network Economics Hygiene & Healthy Living Management Management & Leadership Physical Illness & Disease
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  • The PACN Podcast - Dr. Damian McHugh, Curi (Part 2)
    Apr 24 2026
    In this follow-up conversation, Dr. John Pagan and Dr. Damian McHugh pick up where Part 1 left off — moving beyond Curi's core medical liability product to explore the company's expanding suite of services for physicians. The conversation also takes a timely turn toward one of the most pressing legal developments affecting Pennsylvania physicians: a recent Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling on venue change and what it may mean for malpractice exposure in the years ahead.Haven't heard Part 1? Start there for the story of Curi's origins, Dr. McHugh's path from emergency medicine to physician advocacy, and why the PACN–Curi partnership is a natural fit.Key HighlightsCuri Has Grown Well Beyond Liability Insurance While medical professional liability remains Curi's foundation, the company has expanded into two additional service areas in direct response to what its physician member-owners asked for.Curi Capital — A wealth management arm staffed by approximately 25 registered independent advisors with deep expertise in both physician personal finance and practice asset management, including retirement plan administration. The arm grew out of member physicians who admired how prudently Curi managed its own investment portfolio and asked whether they could access similar expertise for their own financial lives.Curi Advisory — A business consulting arm that provides physicians with software tools for practice management, online reputation management, and organic growth strategies. Curi initially partnered with an analytics company called Alytics, found it so effective that it acquired the company outright, and built Curi Advisory around it. The result is a suite of business consulting and risk management solutions designed to make practices more successful operationally.Dr. McHugh signaled that continued innovation is coming — additional services are in development as Curi works to support physicians in medicine, business, and life.Legislative Advocacy: A Core Commitment Dr. McHugh shared a personal story from 2011, when a looming malpractice crisis in North Carolina brought him and Curi together in the legislative arena for the first time. Curi invested significant time, talent, and resources assembling medical and legal experts, equipping physicians to meet directly with lawmakers, and bringing firsthand bedside stories to the legislature — a form of advocacy Dr. McHugh has found consistently effective. Curi has since maintained an active legislative presence across multiple states, including Pennsylvania.The Venue Change: A Significant Development for Pennsylvania Physicians A substantial portion of the conversation focused on a recent Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that effectively overturned the venue protections established by the MCare Act of 2002. Under that law, malpractice cases had to be heard in the county where the medical event occurred. The Supreme Court has now ruled that cases can be filed in almost any county in the state — opening the door to plaintiffs choosing favorable jurisdictions, most notably Philadelphia, regardless of where care was provided.Curi has been tracking this issue for six to seven years and has been an active supporter of efforts to address it, including through the work of its general counsel, Jason Newton, whom Dr. McHugh described as one of the foremost medical-legal minds in the region. The venue change takes effect January 1st of the upcoming new year. While neither Dr. McHugh nor Dr. Pagan expected an immediate flood of filings on that date, both acknowledged that an uptick in litigation activity in plaintiff-friendly counties is anticipated at some future point, given the typical lag between a medical event and a filed suit.Curi is already working at the advocacy and legislative level to explore potential solutions, including whether it may be feasible for physicians to ask patients to sign agreements consenting to venue in the physician's home county in the event of a dispute. In the meantime, Curi noted it has existing experience defending cases across the Commonwealth's major counties and feels well-prepared to defend its member-owners wherever cases may be filed.Key TakeawaysCuri has evolved from a single-product liability carrier into a three-legged platform: medical professional liability, wealth management (Curi Capital), and business consulting (Curi Advisory) — all built around what physician members asked for.Curi Capital offers independent financial advisory services tailored specifically to physicians, covering both personal wealth and practice retirement plans.Curi Advisory provides practice management software, online reputation tools, and growth strategies through its Alytics platform.The Pennsylvania Supreme Court's venue ruling is a material development for physician liability exposure in the state. Physicians should be aware it takes effect January 1st and should discuss its implications with their liability carrier.Curi is ...
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    14 mins
  • The PACN Podcast - Dr. Damian McHugh, Curi (Part 1)
    Apr 24 2026

    In this episode, Dr. John Pagan introduces PACN's newest partner, Curi — a physician-founded medical professional liability company with deep roots in the medical society movement. Dr. Damian McHugh, a former emergency physician turned physician advocate, shares the story of Curii's origins, what makes it different from conventional malpractice carriers, and why the partnership with PACN is a natural fit for independent physicians across Pennsylvania.


    Key Highlights

    Dr. McHugh's Path from Emergency Medicine to Curi Dr. McHugh practiced emergency medicine for 21 full-time years in the UNC system in North Carolina after completing a second emergency medicine residency at Chapel Hill. Originally from Britain, he came to the U.S. in 1997 and over time grew increasingly involved with what was then the Medical Mutual Insurance Company of North Carolina — the company that would rebrand as Curi in 2018. What drew him in wasn't just the liability product, but the company's culture: a genuine dedication to physicians at a time when physicians have fewer and fewer advocates. As his clinical career wound down, the move to Curi was a natural evolution. He now serves as Senior Vice President and Physician Liaison, working to bring a physician's perspective into the company's leadership and strategy.

    What Is Curi? Curi is a physician-owned medical professional liability company — a mutual organization owned by its approximately 14,000 physician members, roughly 1,700 to 1,800 of whom practice in Pennsylvania. It was born in 1975 out of crisis: when malpractice providers began exiting the market en masse, the North Carolina Medical Society brought concerned physicians together and rapidly formed Medical Mutual to protect, support, and indemnify them. That physician-society origin is not just history — it continues to shape Curi's culture and priorities today. The company is selective about which practices it works with, deliberately associating itself with patient-centered, safety-focused physicians who prioritize quality and customer service.

    Natural Synergy Between Curi and PACN Both organizations trace their roots to state medical societies — Curi to the North Carolina Medical Society, PACN to the Pennsylvania Medical Society — and both exist to serve the independent physician community with tools, advocacy, and support that larger institutions don't provide. Dr. McHugh described PACN's membership as precisely the kind of practice Curi wants to work with: hardworking, patient-centered physicians who also attend to the wellbeing of their partners, their staff, and themselves. He noted that practicing in an environment that prioritizes safety and service is not just ethically right — it actively reduces the risk of burnout.

    Why Curi Over Other Carriers? In a market with many malpractice options, Dr. McHugh pointed to Curi's mutual ownership structure as the defining differentiator. As a physician-owned mutual, Curi's interests are aligned with its members — not with outside shareholders. Its mission explicitly extends beyond liability protection to improving the lives of physicians not just in medicine and business, but in life overall. That mission aligns directly with PACN's own goal of reducing barriers and restoring the joy of medical practice.

    The Broader Stakes: Choice and Burnout Both Dr. McHugh and Dr. Pagan reflected on the connection between physician autonomy and burnout. When independent practice is not a viable option, even employed physicians lose leverage — and the sense of helplessness that comes with no meaningful alternatives is itself a driver of burnout. Curi and PACN share a belief that supporting independent practice is not just good for independent physicians, but for the entire physician community.


    Key Takeaways

    • Curi is a physician-owned mutual liability company — not answerable to outside shareholders, but to its 14,000 physician members, including roughly 1,700–1,800 in Pennsylvania.
    • Its origins in the North Carolina Medical Society's response to a malpractice crisis give it a physician-first culture that has remained consistent through its evolution from Medical Mutual to Curi.
    • The PACN–Curi partnership is rooted in shared values: both organizations were born from medical societies, both serve independent physicians, and both are committed to reducing the burdens of practice.
    • Curi is selective — it works with practices that demonstrate a commitment to quality, safety, and patient-centered care, which aligns naturally with PACN's membership.
    • Physician autonomy and physician wellness are connected. Preserving the option of independent practice protects not just those who choose it, but the entire physician workforce.
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    11 mins
  • The PACN Podcast - Dr. Nader Rahmanian and Cheryl Rahmanian (Part 2)
    Apr 24 2026
    In this follow-up conversation, Dr. John Pagan welcomes back Dr. Nader Rahmanian and Cheryl Rahmanian for a practical, step-by-step look at how their practice approaches the annual wellness visit — one of the highest-value touchpoints in Medicare care. From pre-visit preparation to post-visit documentation, the Rahmanians share their workflow in detail and offer their template to any colleague who wants it. Dr. Rahmanian also delivers a passionate call to action for independent physicians to engage with their medical society and clinical network.Haven't heard Part 1? Start there for the full story of Dr. Rahmanian's 35-year career in independent practice, his candid take on employed medicine, and what it takes to build a sustainable independent practice.Key HighlightsMaking the Most of the Annual Wellness Visit Dr. Rahmanian opened with a note of genuine appreciation for Medicare's decision to cover annual wellness visits comprehensively for geriatric patients — a recognition that older patients need yearly preventive attention in a way younger patients do not. The visit is structured to cover past medical and surgical history, medication review, physical exam, psychiatric review, and — critically for geriatric patients — advanced care planning including living wills and durable power of attorney discussions. Dr. Rahmanian emphasized that the reimbursement is attractive enough that every practice should be performing these visits routinely, and that a well-run annual wellness visit combined with a regular office visit can yield close to $300 in Medicare reimbursement with relatively little additional physician time.A Team Approach to Pre-Visit Preparation Cheryl Rahmanian walked through the practice's step-by-step preparation workflow. Annual wellness dates are tracked directly in the EMR using a pinned note. When a patient schedules their next appointment, Cheryl reviews whether they are due — always scheduling more than 365 days out to avoid Medicare timing issues. Before the visit, she researches and updates the chart, reviews preventive care status (mammograms, colonoscopies, immunizations, smoking history), and ensures the patient completes their depression screening. The nurse then sees the patient before the physician, conducts the wellness portion of the visit including the cognitive screening, and flags any deficiencies for the physician before he enters the room.Cognitive Screening: Choosing the Right Tool Dr. Rahmanian noted that not all cognitive screening tools are accepted by Medicare for the annual wellness visit. The practice uses the MoCA (Montreal Cognitive Assessment), which meets Medicare's requirements. He cautioned colleagues that some commonly used tools — such as the clock drawing test — are not considered sufficient by Medicare, and encouraged practices to verify which assessments qualify.Coupling the Wellness Visit with the Regular Visit A key efficiency point: the annual wellness visit can be billed alongside a regular office visit on the same day. If the physician identifies a problem during the wellness visit — a new finding, an abnormal screening result — it can be addressed and billed separately as a problem visit in addition to the wellness visit. This structure maximizes both care quality and reimbursement without requiring patients to make a separate trip.Documentation and the Template Cheryl developed a documentation template when Medicare first introduced the annual wellness visit, building it directly from Medicare's requirements so nothing is missed. The Rahmanians offered to share this template with any PACN colleagues or Pennsylvania Medical Society members who would like it — emphasizing that it is not proprietary and is theirs to use.At the End of Every Visit: A Preventive Care Summary Each patient leaves their annual wellness visit with a printed summary of their preventive care history — flu shots, pneumococcal vaccines, mammograms, colonoscopies, and other services — so they stay informed and engaged in their own care.A Strong Argument for PACN Membership Dr. Rahmanian closed with a passionate case for why every physician — employed or independent — should be a member of the Pennsylvania Medical Society and engaged with PACN. His argument: physicians are among the most educated professionals in the country, yet too many fail to advocate for their own interests collectively. No hospital employer has a physician's best interests at heart. Without organized representation — in the legislature, in contract negotiations, in the community — independent physicians have no voice. PACN gives them the collective power of a large organization without the headaches of a large partnership, and opens doors to contracts, recognition, and resources that no solo practice could access alone.Gratitude for the Pennsylvania Medical Society Dr. Rahmanian concluded by thanking the Pennsylvania Medical Society for having the vision and the ...
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    18 mins
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