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The Ethically Immoral Podcast

The Ethically Immoral Podcast

By: Hosted by: Mike Payne
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Summary

The Ethically Immoral Podcast is a program dedicated to long-form conversations with poets, spoken word artists, authors, and creatives who use language as a tool for truth-telling, healing, and resistance. Hosted by Mike Payne, the show travels beyond the typical interview to explore the personal histories, artistic philosophies, and cultural contexts that shape the voice of the Creatives we welcome.


It’s not just about poetry or performance — it’s about the people behind the pen. We talk about identity, healing, joy, frustration, and the journey of becoming. Some moments are deep, others are funny, but all of them are authentic. If you’re someone who values storytelling, vulnerability, and good conversation, this space was created and cultivated for you.

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Episodes
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Five - Our Conversation with Brenda Cardanes
    May 11 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Five, Benda Cárdenas joins the Program for a wide-ranging conversation about creativity, language, culture, visual art, and the experiences that shaped her voice as a writer and poet. A Milwaukee, Wisconsin born and based educator, essayist, and author, Brenda earned her undergraduate degree from the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, her teaching certification from the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh, and her MFA in Creative Writing from the University of Michigan. She is the author of the award-winning poetry collection Trace, which received the 2024 Society of Midland Authors Poetry Award and was the Silver Award winner of the 2023 Foreword INDIES Poetry Awards. She is also the author of three chapbooks, served as Milwaukee Poet Laureate from 2010–2012, and in 2025 was named Wisconsin Poet Laureate.

    Throughout the conversation, Brenda reflects on growing up surrounded by creativity in many forms—from family members who painted, crafted furniture, made saddles, and told stories—to discovering poetry as the medium that allowed her to fully explore culture, memory, and identity. We discuss her early love of visual art, arts and crafts with her aunt, and the impact storytelling had on her imagination as a child. Brenda also talks about beginning to write stories around the age of eight, being encouraged by teachers early on, and eventually discovering poetry in high school through an American Authors course.

    Our conversation explores the importance of representation in literature and how discovering Latin poetry and bilingual writing during undergrad changed her understanding of what poetry could do. Brenda speaks candidly about how encountering poets who reflected her own culture and experiences gave her permission to more openly write about identity, language, and heritage.

    The conversation also touches on what it is like sharing life with fellow poet and former Milwaukee Poet Laureate Roberto Harrison, the ways visual art continues to influence her writing process, and what it meant to receive the call informing her that she had been selected as Wisconsin’s Poet Laureate in 2025.

    Contact Brenda:
    Website:
    brendacardenas.net Instagram: @brenda.cardenas.754

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Ephraim Nehemiah – Inheritance of a Broken Home
    Instagram: @ephariamnehemiah

    Khalil Saadiq – Somebody's Watching Me
    Instagram: @khalil_saadiq

    Alexandria Bennett – Color Blind
    Instagram: @caffeinatedliving

    Denice Frohman – Accents
    Instagram: @denicefrohman Website: denicefrohman.com

    Lionheart – Pretty Hurts
    Instagram: @lionheartfelt Website: lionheartfeltonline.com

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    2 hrs and 12 mins
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Four - Our Conversation with Leah V
    May 3 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Three of the program, we welcome Bronx-born, New York City-based Writer, Performance Poet, Curator, and star of the one-woman show "The Long Way Home", Leah V.

    In our conversation, we trace her creative history—from writing poetry at seven, to studying musical theater, to finding her footing in New York’s spoken word scene. We touch on her recent marriage and what it’s like balancing something deeply personal with a public life rooted in performance. We revisit "Virtual Voices", the virtual open mic space that introduced me to her work back in 2020, and her "partner in Creative crime" and co-host JRose.

    We spend time on a pivotal chapter—losing her father, the silence that followed, and what brought her back to writing during COVID. That return to the page becomes a turning point, not just creatively, but personally.

    At the center of the conversation is her one-woman show, The Long Way Home: A Spoken Word Journey—a piece built around her late father’s poems and journal entries. We talk about what it means to carry someone’s voice forward, what she discovered about him in the process, and how grief evolves when you’re forced to sit with it, shape it, and share it.

    We also get into the New York poetry community, the importance of creative spaces, her experience performing at the Apollo Theater, and how she thinks about the stage—as a place of discovery or revelation.

    Contact Leah V:
    Website:
    leahvspeaks.com Instagram: @leahvspeaks

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Just Ace – What If I Was Him
    Instagram: @iam_justace

    Arantza Garcia – Recipe Book
    Instagram: @arantza.cgf

    Kennie Sings – Like A Lady
    Instagram: @kennie_sings

    Leah V – 3am
    Leah V - Yours
    Instagram: @leahvspeaks Website: leahvspeaks.com

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    1 hr and 50 mins
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Three - Our Conversation with Irina Moga
    Apr 26 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Three of the program, we welcomed Writer, Author, and Poet Irina Moga. Her work has been nominated for the SFPA Rhysling Award and Best of the Net, and her collection Variations Without Palace was the 2022 winner of the Dina Sahyouni International Literary Prize. She’s the author of six collections, including her latest, Quantum, and is an active member of several literary organizations across Canada.

    In our conversation, Irina discusses her early creative beginnings—starting with a poetry group in high school that, in her words, “mercilessly” tore apart each other’s work. What could have discouraged a young writer instead became foundational, shaping her approach to revision, experimentation, and resilience. We talk about what it means to have your work challenged early, and how that kind of environment can either push you out—or pull you deeper in.

    We also spend time on one of the more fascinating parts of her journey: the transition from writing in Romanian to writing in English after immigrating to Canada. Rather than simply carrying over her voice, Irina made the intentional decision to rebuild it. We get into what that process looked like in real time—the frustrations, the disconnects, and what it took to stay committed to that evolution instead of retreating to what was familiar.

    Throughout the conversation, Irina shares how writing lives for her today—not just as a craft, but as a space. A space of silence, concentration, and layering, where language, culture, and personal experience intersect. We talk about poetry as both deconstruction and reconstruction—how it allows us to break reality apart and reassemble it into something that feels more true, more honest, and sometimes more bearable.

    Contact Irina:
    Website:
    irinamoga.com Instagram: @pictopoems

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Taalam Acey – Affirmation for Black Men
    Instagram: @taalamacey Website: taalamacey.com

    Brandon Alexander Williams – Black Woman Studies
    Instagram: @brandonalexanderwilliams

    Anita D. – Colors
    Instagram: @anitadpoetry

    Alyesha Wise – Cannibal
    Instagram: @alyeshawise Website: alyeshawise.com

    Ciara Chantelle – Empty Cups
    Instagram: @ciarachantelle

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    1 hr and 49 mins
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