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Maintenance Phase

Maintenance Phase

By: Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes
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Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.© 2026 Maintenance Phase Hygiene & Healthy Living Mental Health Awareness World
Episodes
  • Salt
    Jun 10 2026

    In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here?

    Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe.

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    • The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America
    • Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Reduction for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease
    • Salt Wars
    • The INTERSALT Study: background, methods, findings, and implications
    • Sodium reduction
    • Sodium Intake Reduction: An Important But Elusive Public Health Goal
    • Effects of Diet and Sodium Intake
    • Salt intake, stroke, and cardiovascular disease
    • Racial and Ethnic Differences in Sodium Sources and Sodium Reduction Behaviors Among US Adults
    • The Great Salt Debate: So Bad?
    • Salt guidelines draw heavy backlash
    • Sodium Reduction in US Households’ Packaged Food and Beverage Purchases
    • Blood pressure lowering efficacy of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors for primary hypertension

    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!

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  • Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)
    Apr 16 2026

    We're joined by Mike's If Books Could Kill co-host to revisit a biohacking diet book for the boys.

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    • The 4-Hour Body
    • Does Glycemic Index Matter for Weight Loss? An Examination of the Evidence
    • New! Improved! Shape Up Your Life!
    • The 4-Hour Body: The Real App You Are Working On Is An App Called Yourself

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    1 hr and 8 mins
  • Russell Brand Part 2
    Apr 1 2026

    What do you do when you've flamed out as a Hollywood actor, a political commentator and a wellness guru? You make a YouTube channel.

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    • Hear bonus episodes on Patreon
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    • Buy Aubrey's book
    • Listen to Mike's other podcast
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    • Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuse
    • Exposing Russell Brand
    • Russell Brand And The Conspiracy Grift
    • Russell Brand on revolution
    • Celebrity Capital in the Political Field: Russell Brand’s migration from stand-up comedy to Newsnight
    • “Arthur” lawsuit against Brand
    • BBC says it received five complaints about presenter
    • Woman says star exposed himself to her
    • Russell Brand, Seriously
    • How the U.S. is sabotaging its best tools to prevent deaths in the opioid epidemic
    • Russell Brand And The Conspiracy Grift
    • Russell Brand’s fellow travellers should defend their claims in court

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    1 hr and 7 mins
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All kinds of interesting things you never knew about the founder of Pilates. Nothing controversial about the exercise method itself, just the interesting, amusing and sometimes strange history surrounding it. A great commute listen. Thank you.

Very entertaining - lots of fun facts

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I've listened for year and honestly it always makes me laugh, informs and feeds my soul.

Always excellent. With no exceptions

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Funny, smart, and important, the duo addresses bad science and social attitudes based on bias rather than facts. A refreshing take that keeps growing on you.

Addictive, mind-blowing, intelligent: myth-busting at its best

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loved it. love every episode. presenters are wonderful and hilarious and you learn something new every time

my favourite podcast

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