It is a privilege to have the chance to chat colleagues who have had impressive careers and are now making a difference through their support for others on their leadership journey. Today, we chatted to Glyn Potts, a former Headteacher who has been a guest while a headteacher on our weekly chat. He was joined by Neil Jurd, the former military senior officer and author of The Leadership Book and a previous guest. Neil has developed the Leader-Connect online platform, and both are now collaborating on a new leadership programme for school leadership teams.

The chat covers their work in developing the new leadership programme and why we all feel that many existing programmes do not prepare senior leaders well enough for the ‘white heat’ moments they encounter. Glyn and Neil explain how they have recently worked with the entire senior leadership team at Dallam School, using it as an example, and what they believe staff have gained from the short and intense development programme. Oh, by the way, their programme leads to a formal qualification from the Institute of Leadership.

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This is a special edition of the Frank and Stan Chat SPOTLIGHT edition because we are joined by someone who we have both worked with. Joshua Mangas is a senior education and governance leader with over 15 years' experience across schools,

training providers, and public sector partnerships. He currently leads governance development and strategy for over 500 schools across Lancashire at Lancashire County Council, and serves as Chair of Governors at St Andrew's C of E Primary in Ramsbottom.

Before moving into governance, Joshua was Assistant Principal at Co-op Academy Walkden where he met Frank and Stan. Frank was the CEO of the trust that adopted the academy and Stan was one of its trustees.

While at the academy Josh doubled the national average in post-16 apprenticeship progression and was personally described as "exemplary" by Ofsted. He has won multiple national awards for careers education and has acted as a technical advisor to MPs, Ofsted, and the DfE on governance and transformation strategies.

He founded the Governance Assurance Framework because he saw the same pattern across hundreds of schools: governance was the only function in school improvement without a system.

During our chat Josh explains what the Governance Assurance Framework is and how it is organised into 47 governance elements across 11 governance functions and falls into three stages. It is free to all schools and not just to those in Lancashire.

You can find out more here

https://governanceassurance.co.uk

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It's quite rare for a guest to have to drop out of a planned visit to the Frank and Stan Chat but that happened recently so we used the World Wide Web to ask for volunteers. We’re pleased to report that a few people responded. We were then presented with a problem. How do you select which one? We decided to choose the first person who'd replied and that was Joe Pardoe.

Joe has a fascinating back story and a varied career in education. He explains all of this at the start of the chat. We were particularly interested in his experiences working at School 21. We explained how well we knew Liz Robinson, a colleague closely linked to School 21 and her work as co-founder of Big Education. Joe explained brilliantly was a fascinating time it was and how it continues to strongly influence his work.

The chat moves on to the regular slot of ‘what’s caught our eye/s this week?’

- Stan drew attention to the RISE advisers and the distances some have been expected to travel to support schools. He explains the fundamental weaknesses in this approach including its inefficiencies. He then wonders why existing school improvement services that exist locally have not been brought into the RISE programme?

- Joe, switches the issue of ‘what’s caught our eye’ to 'what hasn’t caught our eye? He wonders why the school admission notification date for the Primary phase appears to have got such little attention. He points out that for his family, it has been a hot topic on local Whatsapp groups with parents asking for advice and support and wondering what they will do if they don’t get their first choice?

- Frank then considers the appointment of Matthew Purves as the Ofsted Director charged with leading the development of the MAT/SAT inspection Framework. He explains why the appointment may rest heavy for those involved in the Caversham Primary School tragedy and questions why some fresh talent wasn’t sought for such a challenging role?

It’s a friendly, supportive, and we hope interesting chat. Joe was a great guest.

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