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It's supposed to be refreshing. Instead, we're hitting refresh. Eva and Caroline are recording from the summer studio for the first time this season, and all anyone can talk about is camp — specifically the very particular madness of being a parent who just sent a child to sleepaway camp for the first time. Caroline is forty-eight hours in and kidsick. Eva has already mistaken another child for her daughter on the Campanion app. And somehow none of this is surprising.

They get into how camps have had to send formal written warnings to parents — please do not diagnose medical conditions from photos, please do not bribe your child to pose for the photographer, do not expect photos for the first three days — because the average camp parent has become so unhinged that the director's job is now half therapy, half crisis management, half explaining to grown adults that their kid standing alone in a photo does not mean they have no friends. They talk about the overpacking arms race, the medication spreadsheets, the Zoom therapists, the tutors, the two full-time photographers, and the charter planes — and whether any of it is actually for the kid or just anxiety management with a shopping component.

But underneath all the chaos is something real: we were raised in a world of benign neglect, and we survived. We had first kisses at camp, we changed our names for the summer, we had brothers who didn't shower for six days and developed a rash you'd only see in a third-world country, and nobody called anybody's parents. And we turned out (mostly) fine. The question is whether we're raising a generation that will.

Eva changed her name to Stephanie for an entire summer and was Lower Camper Captain. Caroline's mother wrote a letter promising caviar to celebrate her grandson’s return. And somewhere in Maine, a boy in a linen suit is having the time of his life while his mother scans 500 photos looking for his face.

Book of the week: The Interestings by Meg Wolitzer — six kids at an arts camp in 1974 who decide they're destined for greatness, and the decades that follow. Everything you love and grieve about the friendships you make at camp.

We’re two New York City women talking candidly about the chaos of modern life, from relationships, parenting, working in and out of the home, to what it takes to stay semi-sane in a world that expects you to hold it all together and be #blessed.

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